Full installation every time?

[Keff]

It seems to me that whenever I stop folding, I have to completely reinstall the software to begin folding again. Am I right?

[Joe_H]

No, that is not right. If you need to reinstall every time, that points to either a problem in the way the client is being installed, or in the way you use it. If you could post the beginning of one of the log files created be the folding client, that would be useful in seeing how the client is installed. Directions on how to find and post the log file are included here - viewtopic.php?f=16&t=26036. The first 100 or so lines of the log should be enough.

[Keff]

Maybe I'm inept, but I tried all three methods suggested for Windows 7 and 8.1, and I can't find any log folders. There's no log option in the advanced controls, and no logs in the FAH folder.

I'm running Windows 10 - does that matter?

[bruce]

The log can be seen in the log tab of Advanced Control although you'll need probably to click Refresh to get back to the top of the log -- and you may need to temporarily un-check the Follow option.

[Keff]

I don't know how to refresh the log. Here's some of it. Does this tell you anything?

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14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:       Type: 0xa7
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:       Core: Gromacs
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:    Website: http://folding.stanford.edu/
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:  Copyright: (c) 2009-2016 Stanford University
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:     Author: Joseph Coffland <joseph@cauldrondevelopment.com>
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:       Args: -dir 00 -suffix 01 -version 704 -lifeline 1260 -checkpoint 15 -np 6
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:     Config: <none>
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:************************************ Build *************************************
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:    Version: 0.0.11
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:       Date: Sep 21 2016
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:       Time: 01:43:48
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7: Repository: Git
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:   Revision: 957bd90e68d95ddcf1594dc15ff6c64cc4555146
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:     Branch: master
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:   Compiler: GNU 4.2.1 Compatible Clang 3.9.0 (trunk 274080)
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:    Options: -std=gnu++98 -O3 -funroll-loops -ffast-math -mfpmath=sse
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:             -fno-unsafe-math-optimizations -msse2 -I/mingw64/include
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:             -Wno-inconsistent-dllimport -Wno-parentheses-equality
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:             -Wno-deprecated-register -Wno-unused-local-typedef
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:   Platform: linux2 4.6.0-1-amd64
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:       Bits: 64
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:       Mode: Release
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:       SIMD: avx_256
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:************************************ System ************************************
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:        CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700 CPU @ 3.40GHz
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:     CPU ID: GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 94 Stepping 3
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:       CPUs: 8
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:     Memory: 15.94GiB
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Free Memory: 11.64GiB
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:    Threads: WINDOWS_THREADS
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7: OS Version: 6.2
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Has Battery: false
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7: On Battery: false
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7: UTC Offset: -6
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:        PID: 8340
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:        CWD: C:\Users\Keff\AppData\Roaming\FAHClient\work
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:         OS: Windows 10 Home
14:00:16:WU00:FS00:0xa7:    OS Arch: AMD64

[bruce]

When you installed FAH, did you log out from your normal windows ID and log in to another account for administration? Did you select "install just for me" or "install for everyone"?

FAH should be installed from the Windows account that you use most of the time; not from a separate account. If your normal Windows account does not have administrative rights, at some point during the installation it will ask you for the administrative password.

There won't be any log information unless you're running FAH from the same account you installed it on. Otherwise, you can refresh the log as follows:
Open the Advanced Control client (FAHClient). Click on the "log" tab and at the bottom you can uncheck the "Follow" box (which means you no longer need to see the most recent portion of the log). You'll also see "refresh" which will load the beginning part of the log above the final portion (so you can scroll all the way back).

[Keff]

Thanks. I use a standard account. I don't recall being asked for admin. permission during the install. I accepted all the defaults during install. Ultimately, not a big deal.

[bruce]

It is important that we diagnose your problem. Others may have the same problem, which makes it a big deal since it's not just your problem.

Please show us the first 100 lines of you log. (see instructions in the signature block of my earlier post.)

[Keff]

I refreshed it. Here are ~ the first hundred lines.

I notice that it includes " Platform: win32 XP
20:22:33: Bits: 32." I'm running a 64-bit Windows 10 system.

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 *********************** Log Started 2016-10-16T20:22:33Z ***********************
20:22:33:************************* Folding@home Client *************************
20:22:33:      Website: http://folding.stanford.edu/
20:22:33:    Copyright: (c) 2009-2014 Stanford University
20:22:33:       Author: Joseph Coffland <joseph@cauldrondevelopment.com>
20:22:33:         Args: --open-web-control
20:22:33:       Config: C:/Users/Keff/AppData/Roaming/FAHClient/config.xml
20:22:33:******************************** Build ********************************
20:22:33:      Version: 7.4.4
20:22:33:         Date: Mar 4 2014
20:22:33:         Time: 20:26:54
20:22:33:      SVN Rev: 4130
20:22:33:       Branch: fah/trunk/client
20:22:33:     Compiler: Intel(R) C++ MSVC 1500 mode 1200
20:22:33:      Options: /TP /nologo /EHa /Qdiag-disable:4297,4103,1786,279 /Ox -arch:SSE
20:22:33:               /QaxSSE2,SSE3,SSSE3,SSE4.1,SSE4.2 /Qopenmp /Qrestrict /MT /Qmkl
20:22:33:     Platform: win32 XP
20:22:33:         Bits: 32
20:22:33:         Mode: Release
20:22:33:******************************* System ********************************
20:22:33:          CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700 CPU @ 3.40GHz
20:22:33:       CPU ID: GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 94 Stepping 3
20:22:33:         CPUs: 8
20:22:33:       Memory: 15.94GiB
20:22:33:  Free Memory: 13.11GiB
20:22:33:      Threads: WINDOWS_THREADS
20:22:33:   OS Version: 6.2
20:22:33:  Has Battery: false
20:22:33:   On Battery: false
20:22:33:   UTC Offset: -6
20:22:33:          PID: 4312
20:22:33:          CWD: C:/Users/Keff/AppData/Roaming/FAHClient
20:22:33:           OS: Windows 10 Home
20:22:33:      OS Arch: AMD64
20:22:33:         GPUs: 1
20:22:33:        GPU 0: NVIDIA:5 GM206 [GeForce GTX 960]
20:22:33:         CUDA: 5.2
20:22:33:  CUDA Driver: 8000
20:22:33:Win32 Service: false
20:22:33:***********************************************************************
20:22:33:<config>
20:22:33:  <!-- Slot Control -->
20:22:33:  <power v='MEDIUM'/>
20:22:33:
20:22:33:  <!-- User Information -->
20:22:33:  <user v='Keff'/>
20:22:33:
20:22:33:  <!-- Folding Slots -->
20:22:33:  <slot id='0' type='CPU'/>
20:22:33:  <slot id='1' type='GPU'/>
20:22:33:</config>
20:22:33:Trying to access database...
20:22:33:Successfully acquired database lock
20:22:33:Enabled folding slot 00: READY cpu:6
20:22:33:Enabled folding slot 01: READY gpu:0:GM206 [GeForce GTX 960]
20:22:33:WU01:FS01:Starting
20:22:33:WU01:FS01:Running FahCore: "C:\Program Files (x86)\FAHClient/FAHCoreWrapper.exe" C:/Users/Keff/AppData/Roaming/FAHClient/cores/web.stanford.edu/~pande/Win32/AMD64/NVIDIA/Fermi/Core_21.fah/FahCore_21.exe -dir 01 -suffix 01 -version 704 -lifeline 4312 -checkpoint 15 -gpu 0 -gpu-vendor nvidia
20:22:33:WU01:FS01:Started FahCore on PID 9988
20:22:33:WU01:FS01:Core PID:2432
20:22:33:WU01:FS01:FahCore 0x21 started
20:22:33:WU00:FS00:Starting
20:22:33:WU00:FS00:Running FahCore: "C:\Program Files (x86)\FAHClient/FAHCoreWrapper.exe" C:/Users/Keff/AppData/Roaming/FAHClient/cores/web.stanford.edu/~pande/Win32/AMD64/Core_a4.fah/FahCore_a4.exe -dir 00 -suffix 01 -version 704 -lifeline 4312 -checkpoint 15 -np 6
20:22:33:WU00:FS00:Started FahCore on PID 4788
20:22:33:WU00:FS00:Core PID:11192
20:22:33:WU00:FS00:FahCore 0xa4 started
20:22:34:WU00:FS00:0xa4:
20:22:34:WU00:FS00:0xa4:*------------------------------*
20:22:34:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Folding@Home Gromacs GB Core
20:22:34:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Version 2.27 (Dec. 15, 2010)
20:22:34:WU00:FS00:0xa4:
20:22:34:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Preparing to commence simulation
20:22:34:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Ensuring status. Please wait.
20:22:34:WU01:FS01:0x21:*********************** Log Started 2016-10-16T20:22:33Z ***********************
20:22:34:WU01:FS01:0x21:Project: 9207 (Run 3, Clone 1, Gen 49)
20:22:34:WU01:FS01:0x21:Unit: 0x0000006cab436c685796c0c1b88d4379
20:22:34:WU01:FS01:0x21:CPU: 0x00000000000000000000000000000000
20:22:34:WU01:FS01:0x21:Machine: 1
20:22:34:WU01:FS01:0x21:Digital signatures verified
20:22:34:WU01:FS01:0x21:Folding@home GPU Core21 Folding@home Core
20:22:34:WU01:FS01:0x21:Version 0.0.17
20:22:34:WU01:FS01:0x21:  Found a checkpoint file
20:22:39:19:127.0.0.1:New Web connection
20:22:43:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Looking at optimizations...
20:22:43:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Working with standard loops on this execution.
20:22:43:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Previous termination of core was improper.
20:22:43:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Going to use standard loops.
20:22:43:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Files status OK
20:22:43:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Expanded 1218978 -> 2730928 (decompressed 224.0 percent)
20:22:43:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=1218978 data_size=2730928, decompressed_data_size=2730928 diff=0
20:22:43:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Digital signature verified
20:22:43:WU00:FS00:0xa4:
20:22:43:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Project: 11657 (Run 172, Clone 1, Gen 65)
20:22:43:WU00:FS00:0xa4:
20:22:43:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Entering M.D.
20:22:49:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Using Gromacs checkpoints
20:22:49:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Mapping NT from 6 to 6 
20:22:50:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Resuming from checkpoint
20:22:50:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Verified 00/wudata_01.log
20:22:50:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Verified 00/wudata_01.trr
20:22:50:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Verified 00/wudata_01.xtc
20:22:50:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Verified 00/wudata_01.edr
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20:23:00:WU01:FS01:0x21:Completed 2000000 out of 2500000 steps (80%)
20:23:00:WU01:FS01:0x21:Temperature control disabled. Requirements: single Nvidia GPU, tmax must be < 110 and twait >= 900
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Mod edit: added Code tags to log

[davidcoton]

I notice that it includes " Platform: win32 XP
20:22:33: Bits: 32." I'm running a 64-bit Windows 10 system.

That refers to the system that built the client. Details of your system and a bit further down.
Please use the Full Editor and put log listings in Code tags -- it makes your post much easier to read.
As to the reinstall problem, the log shows folding successfully restarting on WUs that were saved when you last stopped folding.
Do you get the FAHControl icon in the systray (or whatever Win10 has)? If you right-click it, is the pause option ticked? If you click that line, does folding start?

[bruce]

Don't feel bad, Keff. I just brought a new Win10-64 system on-line yesterday and I've discovered I have the same problem you're reporting.

How are you starting FAH?

[Keff]

When I stop folding, the system tray icon disappears. However, when I restart it (via full installation) it picks up the work where it left off. Please explain to me where I can find the full editor and put log listings in the code tags. It's folding to beat the band when it's running. I have plenty of CPU cycles to do other things when I set it on medium. I've noticed that when set on high, I don't seem to get work units for the CPU.

I restart FAH by reinstalling it.

When I first installed it, I got an error message that OpenCL was required. I searched NVidea's website and then called support. I didn't get any help there, so I searched the web until I found an OpenCL file, downloaded it and stuck it in my programs folder. Then FAH installed and began running.

Cheers, Keff

[Joe_H]

Full Editor - when you post on this forum you have the option of using Quick Reply to a post or the POSTREPLY button. The second option will take you directly into the Full Editor mode. Or, right next to the Submit button is one for Full Editor. That will take whatever you have entered in the Quick Reply window and go to the Full Editor.

As for why you do not get CPU WU's when you got to Full, the client reserves one CPU core for your GPU folding slot. That leaves 7. On Medium the client will use one less or 6 in your case. There are plenty of WU's for CPU:6, but very few for CPU:7.

So I would recommend just leaving the setting at Medium or editing the CPU slot configuration to explicitly use 6 CPU threads. The next client version currently released for a public Beta test does a better job at auto-negotiatiating a suitable CPU setting.

[Keff]

My wife just bought a HP desktop running Windows 10. It has an integrated GPU, so I installed FAH just for the CPU. FAH runs whenever the machine is on. I set it to pause when the machine's in use. I don't think my wife knows it's running.

As an aside, maybe future version could play the protein. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/22/scien ... trilobites

[bruce]

My wife just bought a HP desktop running Windows 10. It has an integrated GPU, so I installed FAH just for the CPU. FAH runs whenever the machine is on. I set it to pause when the machine's in use. I don't think my wife knows it's running.

Installing FAH without the permission of the machine's owner is contrary to FAH's user agreement ... but in community property states I suppose we can call your wife an allowable exception.

In fact, the CPU slot can run even when the machine is in use. Processing on the CPU creates no noticeable performance reduction in foreground activities except maybe if she's a gamer. GPU processing often causes noticeable delays and needs pause until the machine is idle.