Suggestion: Create a news broadcast app for FAH

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Suggestion: Create a news broadcast app for FAH

Post by andrewtheart »

I'm sure this has been brought up a few times, but -

Don't you think it would make sense for the FAH client app to notify the end-user whether the GPU they just upgraded to will prevent them from folding?

If there was a message in the UI stating "FAH is currently only known to work with the following NVIDIA GEFORCE driver revisions ", I may not have made the upgrade. But as it stands, I did, and now I'm going to have to downgrade from 375.xx to the prior version (probably 373)
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Re: WARNING ! Do not upgrade to 375.xx drivers.

Post by bruce »

andrewtheart wrote:Don't you think it would make sense for the FAH client app to notify the end-user whether the GPU they just upgraded to will prevent them from folding?
The official notification was published on Oct 27 in the Stanford Blog -- and here and on FB. I recommend you check the official Blog occasionally.

The client does not contain code for a broadcast notification system, but your welcome to recommend a parallel system that Donors can run to notify them when the Blog is updated..
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Re: WARNING ! Do not upgrade to 375.xx drivers.

Post by SteveWillis »

If there was a message in the UI stating "FAH is currently only known to work with the following NVIDIA GEFORCE driver revisions ", I may not have made the upgrade. But as it stands, I did, and now I'm going to have to downgrade from 375.xx to the prior version (probably 373)
On my Linux system that takes about 15 minutes and is a piece of cake once you know how.
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SombraGuerrero
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Re: WARNING ! Do not upgrade to 375.xx drivers.

Post by SombraGuerrero »

andrewtheart wrote:I'm sure this has been brought up a few times, but -

Don't you think it would make sense for the FAH client app to notify the end-user whether the GPU they just upgraded to will prevent them from folding?

If there was a message in the UI stating "FAH is currently only known to work with the following NVIDIA GEFORCE driver revisions ", I may not have made the upgrade. But as it stands, I did, and now I'm going to have to downgrade from 375.xx to the prior version (probably 373)
If this were a true client-side limitation. that would be a valid recourse. Since it is a break in Nvidia's tweaks to their OpenCL implementation, however, it should not be the client's responsibility to announce a break to users. As mentioned a little earlier, the fact that these same drivers are breaking other applications as well clearly absolves FAH of any responsibility here.
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Re: WARNING ! Do not upgrade to 375.xx drivers.

Post by andrewtheart »

IMO It is FAH's responsibility to notify the end user of a "break in Nvidia's tweaks to their OpenCL implementation" if they want to maximize folding.
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Re: WARNING ! Do not upgrade to 375.xx drivers.

Post by SombraGuerrero »

andrewtheart wrote:IMO It is FAH's responsibility to notify the end user of a "break in Nvidia's tweaks to their OpenCL implementation" if they want to maximize folding.
Yes, which is why they post it elsewhere, but unless it is expected to be a long term problem with their software, they should not be expected to code around something over which they have no control.
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Re: WARNING ! Do not upgrade to 375.xx drivers.

Post by andrewtheart »

bruce wrote:The official notification was published on Oct 27 in the Stanford Blog -- and here and on FB. I recommend you check the official Blog occasionally.

The client does not contain code for a broadcast notification.
So what I'm suggesting is a broadcast system be implemented in the FAH client code and it sends these notifcatons (maybe from sources like folding.stanford.edu).
Have the message expire after x days, or whatever.
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Re: WARNING ! Do not upgrade to 375.xx drivers.

Post by andrewtheart »

SombraGuerrero wrote:
andrewtheart wrote:IMO It is FAH's responsibility to notify the end user of a "break in Nvidia's tweaks to their OpenCL implementation" if they want to maximize folding.
Yes, which is why they post it elsewhere, but unless it is expected to be a long term problem with their software, they should not be expected to code around something over which they have no control.
You cannot expect great compliance regarding people remembering to open up that web page before every graphics driver update.
If that is today's solution, it is suboptimal and should be rethought.
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suggestion Create a news broadcast app for FAH

Post by SombraGuerrero »

It's one of those things that turns into a very deep rabbit hole. If you don't draw the line somewhere, you'll never stop tweaking your application in a futile attempt to please everyone. Plus, the FAH team has made it very clear that integrity of the results is very important, this being a scientific application. Constant code changes, no matter how minor, introduce the risk of regression. I would surmise that in the eyes of most of the FAH team, they would rather not have people successfully fold at all until their environments are adjusted, than have the servers bombarded with compromised results.
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Re: WARNING ! Do not upgrade to 375.xx drivers.

Post by foldy »

A broadcast system would be helpful in such situations. The fah client could request "news" once a day or hour. The news could include warnings regarding a driver or windows update or announce a new FahCore which may be a little instable initially or when cpu core=7 makes problems. The advantage over websites is the donor could see this e.g. as notification on FahControl and does not need to call websites occasionally yourself. Maybe the broadcast messages could even be managed by foldingforum admins.

But this request should be posted on foldingathome reddit, I will.
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Re: WARNING ! Do not upgrade to 375.xx drivers.

Post by SombraGuerrero »

Now THAT is an infrastructure I can get behind. Anything that can be built once and then maintained outside of the core application, yes!
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Re: WARNING ! Do not upgrade to 375.xx drivers.

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Re: Suggestion: Create a news broadcast app for FAH

Post by bruce »

Thanks, foldy.

As has been stated many times, this is a support forum and we have to operate within the constraints of today's version of the FAH system.
The right place for suggestions is reddit, where Donors can vote for popular suggestions and FAH administrators might read/respond to them.

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