A plea for more cancer projects

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Re: A plea for more cancer projects

Postby iceman1992 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:10 pm

Jesse_V wrote:They are on psummary, which is a list of currently running projects.
Oh good then. But I don't recall ever receiving them. It seems that when I receive a particular project WU, the next few WUs are also from the same project (or project group), is that normal?
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Re: A plea for more cancer projects

Postby jimerickson » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:11 pm

yes that is normal.
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Re: A plea for more cancer projects

Postby verlyol » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:30 pm

Very happy to have a new project on cancer...Fold on !
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Re: A plea for more cancer projects

Postby iceman1992 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:35 pm

verlyol wrote:Very happy to have a new project on cancer...Fold on !
I'm hoping soon it will be one of the major projects, with the same priority as AD for instance. I'm very sure many people feel the same way. I'm just sad I haven't got those WUs (as far as I can remember)
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Re: A plea for more cancer projects

Postby Jesse_V » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:32 pm

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Re: A plea for more cancer projects

Postby VijayPande » Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:46 am

PS There are other cancer projects we are prototyping now, for hopeful rollout to FAH. Dr. Diwakar Shukla in particular is also writing a grant for us to use FAH to study certain forms of pediatric cancer.
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Re: A plea for more cancer projects

Postby Grandpa_01 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:48 am

Berkeley = BOINC Projects just curious as to the reason they are expanding this project to F@H rather than running it on the BOINC projects. Is there something that F@H can do with this project that boinc can not. ?
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Re: A plea for more cancer projects

Postby Jesse_V » Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:08 am

Grandpa_01 wrote:Berkeley = BOINC Projects just curious as to the reason they are expanding this project to F@H rather than running it on the BOINC projects. Is there something that F@H can do with this project that boinc can not. ?

Idk, maybe give it up to six petaFLOPS worth of performance? 8-)
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Re: A plea for more cancer projects

Postby bruce » Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:27 am

Grandpa_01 wrote:Berkeley = BOINC Projects just curious as to the reason they are expanding this project to F@H rather than running it on the BOINC projects. Is there something that F@H can do with this project that boinc can not. ?


Absolutely. And BOINC can do things that FAH cannot. (Well, can/cannot is too absolute for my taste. It would be better to say does well/does poorly about both of them.)

Both Seti@home and Folding@home were very early DC projects and built their own methodology of managing WUs and managing servers. BOINC extracted that structure and published it, rewriting Seti to be one of the first projects to be built on top of BOINC. BOINC is that structure on which DC projects can be developed, not the projects themselves, many of which are developed by 3rd parties, not by Berkeley. FAH is still both a structure on which DC projects are built and a family of projects. Most of the FAH projects are around FahCores that are built from GROMACS or OpenMM or a couple of others. Do you see GROMACS running on BOINC?

There are some important differences in the underlying structure. BOINC was originally developed for massively parallel WUs where WUs were not sequential and the quantity of work was (almost) the only criteria. The FAH structure was originally developed for serial/parallel WUs where speed and sequence were more critical than the quantity of work completed. That's no longer 100% true, but FAH developed the SMP client and the Quick Return Bonus as a means to deal with WUs that are generated from the previously completed WU whereas most BOINC projects start with WUs all of which have been pre-generated.

At one time Genome@home was built on top of Folding@home's underlying structure. The project ended many years ago, but every WU was independent of every other WU. Nobody cared if you downloaded multiple WUs or if you stopped working on one G@H Wu to work on another as long as you eventually finished both of them. Quantity mattered, not speed. Structurally speaking, G@H could have been built on top of BOINC.

Dr. Chodera's projects are asking the kinds of scientific questions that are best answered by FAH (both the FahCores and the underlying structure) and that has nothing to do with a cross-bay Berkeley vs. Stanford rivalry.
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Re: A plea for more cancer projects

Postby iceman1992 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:26 am

VijayPande wrote:PS There are other cancer projects we are prototyping now, for hopeful rollout to FAH. Dr. Diwakar Shukla in particular is also writing a grant for us to use FAH to study certain forms of pediatric cancer.
Brilliant.. Glad to know that :D
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Re: A plea for more cancer projects

Postby Calendyr » Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:47 pm

I totally agree with the original poster. My main reason for joining F@H is cancer research.
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Re: A plea for more cancer projects

Postby Grandpa_01 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:12 pm

Thanks for the explanation bruce.
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Re: A plea for more cancer projects

Postby 7im » Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:07 pm

Calendyr wrote:I totally agree with the original poster. My main reason for joining F@H is cancer research.


Then according to the latest NEWS post, you're working on the right project. ;)
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Re: A plea for more cancer projects

Postby JonazzDJ » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:21 pm

VijayPande wrote:PS There are other cancer projects we are prototyping now, for hopeful rollout to FAH. Dr. Diwakar Shukla in particular is also writing a grant for us to use FAH to study certain forms of pediatric cancer.


Awesome, thanks!
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Re: A plea for more cancer projects

Postby verlyol » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:02 am

PS There are other cancer projects we are prototyping now, for hopeful rollout to FAH. Dr. Diwakar Shukla in particular is also writing a grant for us to use FAH to study certain forms of pediatric cancer.


This is great news, which is highly motivating for me ... :D
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