Can't possibly finish WU in time

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DenisPage
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Can't possibly finish WU in time

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I've had it run non-stop since I've received it while not running anything else on my pc and power set to full. There's no possible way I can finish this before it expires, even keeping my pc on at all times, or am I missing something?

Is there a way to drop a WU so a more powerful pc can pick it up?

Thanks for the help and also for the opportunity to help the world.
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Re: Can't possibly finish WU in time

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When you're assigned a WU from a project that you've processed before, the estimated time of completion and use that to calculate a completion data/time and then refine the estimate as the WU progresses. When you receive a WU from a new project, the estimation must start with an assumed value and then refine the estimate as the WU progresses. Since you've only completed 2.03% of that WU, your client has no basis to make any improved assumption until some data is actually measured. You cannot trust the number you're seeing.

Be patient and see what it projects tomorrow morning.
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Re: Can't possibly finish WU in time

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Hi bruce, thanks for your answer. To an extent, I'm aware of that as it's happened on previous WU's. The thing is this one has been running for around 7 hours now and is now at 2.12% so I don't suppose it'll get much better and wanted to help out by passing it on.

I'll do as you've said, though, and just let it run.
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Re: Can't possibly finish WU in time

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DenisPage wrote:Hi bruce, thanks for your answer. To an extent, I'm aware of that as it's happened on previous WU's. The thing is this one has been running for around 7 hours now and is now at 2.12% so I don't suppose it'll get much better and wanted to help out by passing it on.

I'll do as you've said, though, and just let it run.
If you can set to 'finish' via the advanced menu so if/when it finishes you don't download another unit you can't process. You didn't mention what the specs were of your system but unless it incredibly slow this seems wrong maybe you have many other processes running at same time reducing priority or you have the slider at lowest priority. Usually the time per frame and points per day settle down after 3% but assuming it doesn't you could try a restart and see what that does. It may just take you back to about where you were or reset how it is being processed.
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Re: Can't possibly finish WU in time

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kiore wrote:
DenisPage wrote:Hi bruce, thanks for your answer. To an extent, I'm aware of that as it's happened on previous WU's. The thing is this one has been running for around 7 hours now and is now at 2.12% so I don't suppose it'll get much better and wanted to help out by passing it on.

I'll do as you've said, though, and just let it run.
If you can set to 'finish' via the advanced menu so if/when it finishes you don't download another unit you can't process. You didn't mention what the specs were of your system but unless it incredibly slow this seems wrong maybe you have many other processes running at same time reducing priority or you have the slider at lowest priority. Usually the time per frame and points per day settle down after 3% but assuming it doesn't you could try a restart and see what that does. It may just take you back to about where you were or reset how it is being processed.
I've stopped and started it a few times to see if that would help but it made no difference. I've stopped it for a while to try and account for thermal throttle but that doesn't seem to be the case. Lastly, I've restarted my pc completely and it remained just as slow. I've also made sure I'm not working on battery since I'm folding on a laptop and that my power plan is on high performance.

my CPU is an intel i7-8750h. It's not amazing by any means but I've completed 36 WUs so far, with a little over half being CPU WUs and I've not had anything even close to this. They're usually done within a few of hours at most. I'm unsure if it matters but I have a samsung 970 evo ssd and 32gb ram. Graphics card is a 1080 mobile gtx but I don't suppose that'd affect CPU WUs.

Logs seem normal and I've processed at least one WU of the same "project family"(? by this I mean that they have the same description), namely project 13828, which was reasonably quick.


Per your suggestion, I've set my CPU WU's to finish but I don't think there's a way this one is going to get done quickly enough.
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Re: Can't possibly finish WU in time

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Well that CPU not that bad so maybe something else wrong.
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Re: Can't possibly finish WU in time

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Some things I can think of:
1. In your task manager, check if the CPU is running at 100% or close to it, with FAHCore_a7.exe running at close to 90%. Some background processes or system activity could be eating up your cycles.
2. From the performance tab, see if the CPU speed is throttled in any way. In some cases, running a GPU at full tilt throttles the CPU even if the thermals are OK.
3. Try pausing the GPU slot and see if the performance improves -- give it at least 15 minutes to register an update.
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Re: Can't possibly finish WU in time

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Can you take a look at the log file for this? FAHControl has a log window, could you check there and tell us how many steps the WU is supposed to calculate.

The lines will look like this if you have not looked before:

08:57:38:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 2500 out of 125000 steps (2%)

Let us know what you find. I have a possible problem in mind, that information will either confirm it or not, and can go on to other possibilities

P.S. I have alos processed WUs from this group of CPU projects, but not this specific one to be seen in my logs. My processor is an i7-3520m.
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Re: Can't possibly finish WU in time

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Joe_H wrote:Can you take a look at the log file for this? FAHControl has a log window, could you check there and tell us how many steps the WU is supposed to calculate.

The lines will look like this if you have not looked before:

08:57:38:WU00:FS00:0xa7:Completed 2500 out of 125000 steps (2%)

Let us know what you find. I have a possible problem in mind, that information will either confirm it or not, and can go on to other possibilities

P.S. I have alos processed WUs from this group of CPU projects, but not this specific one to be seen in my logs. My processor is an i7-3520m.
14:41:40:WU02:FS00:0xa7:Completed 324352 out of 10375000 steps (3%)

I have also tried what anandhanju suggested, to no avail. FAHCore_a7.exe has been taking 93%ish of the CPU on average and there's no throttling going on.
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Re: Can't possibly finish WU in time

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Okay, you can dump this WU, it has too many steps configured. Your report confirmed a possibility that we have run into a few times in the past, something gets messed up on the server and it send out WUs with many times the number of steps they should have.

I will inform the person running this project, thank you for the report.
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Re: Can't possibly finish WU in time

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Done, thanks for your help!
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Re: Can't possibly finish WU in time

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I think I found the problem, thanks for the report!

Cheers,
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Re: Can't possibly finish WU in time

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I've received a few (3) CPU work units that take over a day recently. This is abnormal, they usually take 2-6 hours. Also, these really long ones have small estimated point value. One is 800. Projects are 13870 (2) and 14051 if that matters.
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Re: Can't possibly finish WU in time

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If they finished, can you check in your logs and see which specific WUs they were and what the number of total steps were listed as?
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Re: Can't possibly finish WU in time

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If I found the right part of the log on the right system, it's here for two, I'm not combing through windows logs for the other one (which was the 800 credit work unit). As it turns out I've run several project 13870 work units, only two of them were horribly, disproportionately long. Also, side note, anyone know how to turn dates on with the timestamping in the logs? Mine only shows HH:MM:SS and that's not so helpful...

05:17:04:WU01:FS00:0xa7:Project: 13870 (Run 0, Clone 75, Gen 23)
05:17:04:WU01:FS00:0xa7:Unit: 0x0000001b0d5262775e764954278fd902
05:17:04:WU01:FS00:0xa7:Steps: first=1500000 total=1500000

14:03:03:WU02:FS00:0xa7:Project: 14051 (Run 15, Clone 231, Gen 5)
14:03:03:WU02:FS00:0xa7:Unit: 0x000000060002894b5e73d43c989101ab
14:03:03:WU02:FS00:0xa7:Steps: first=12500000 total=2500000
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