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Folding rig support

Postby Amstellodamois » Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:45 am

Hi,

I have a 12x 1080 Ti rig mining various alcoins and thought I'd give folding a shot.

I understand the CPU processing power and and PCIe bandwidth matter (which isn't the case when mining) but I don't know how much.

What would be the PPD of a 1080 Ti on riser (because it's in a rig)?

What would be a good starting point for me, information-wise? I mean a good thorough article or blog post or...

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Re: Folding rig support

Postby Joe_H » Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:15 pm

Welcome to the folding support forum.

There is a long topic on this subforum - viewtopic.php?f=38&t=28847 - that discussed this issue as recently as last Fall. Some newer topics in FAH Hardware have also touched on this issue. Basically each GPU will require use of one CPU core of a processor that is not at the very low end of power. If you are running Linux the PCIe bandwidth is less of an issue, but 1X slots will reduce throughput. 4X or better PCIe v.3 slots general are sufficient for almost full throughput from reports by those who have tested this.
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Re: Folding rig support

Postby Amstellodamois » Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:21 pm

Well, that changes the plans...

Maybe I can fold with a 1080 Ti in a 16X slot and mine with the 11 others.
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Re: Folding rig support

Postby toTOW » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:58 pm

We're doing real computations here, not basic maths ... ;)
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Re: Folding rig support

Postby foldinghomealone2 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:47 pm

Just give it a try and post the results here. I assume everyone's curios
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Re: Folding rig support

Postby SteveWillis » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:02 pm

I've seen reports, over on Discord I think it was, that 1x 3.0 pcie slots do ok
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Re: Folding rig support

Postby foldy » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:37 pm

I heard you need have Linux and one CPU thread for each GPU and still pcie 3.0 1x looses 20% PPD - may be worth it.
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Re: Folding rig support

Postby SteveWillis » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:05 pm

I guess I lose about 20% on a 1080 on a 1x 2.0 on Linux
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Re: Folding rig support

Postby Amstellodamois » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:19 pm

My airflow is fucked up if I install one 1080 Ti in a full size slot.
So risers are mandatory and my CPU is a piece of crap (2 threads), it hardly seem worth it to go through the hassle of learning the specifics of folding with such limitations from the start.


But I thank you for the information!
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Re: Folding rig support

Postby v00d00 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:26 am

I always assumed people running big rigs like this would go with liquid cooling solutions for the GPU's, to remove points of failure from the design and ensure better temperatures on the cards.

I also wouldn't ever run a 1080 next to another. The air gap is just too small. I have had cards overheat in the past, when ran side by side. If I was putting down the type of money required to build that kind of setup, I would consider liquid cooling a must.

Anyways I would also be interested in the OP's numbers running 12 cards simutaneously for 24 hours. Even if only as an experiment. As for running from an x16 slot, not massively bothered. We know what a card can generate in a x16 slot. What would be more useful is a hardware breakdown and numbers for 12x cards folding in whatever configuration he uses. While the CPU will bottleneck it. I am still interested in it from an experimentation standpoint.
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Re: Folding rig support

Postby Amstellodamois » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:09 pm

v00d00 wrote:I always assumed people running big rigs like this would go with liquid cooling solutions for the GPU's, to remove points of failure from the design and ensure better temperatures on the cards.

The price of a watercooling for 12 cards is crazy. It's a much more efficient solution to run them on an open frame with one or two box fans moving air around.
Very noisy, but a huge watercooling would be as well.

Anyways I would also be interested in the OP's numbers running 12 cards simutaneously for 24 hours. Even if only as an experiment. As for running from an x16 slot, not massively bothered. We know what a card can generate in a x16 slot. What would be more useful is a hardware breakdown and numbers for 12x cards folding in whatever configuration he uses. While the CPU will bottleneck it. I am still interested in it from an experimentation standpoint.

I had really shitty results, under 1000000 ppd with the 12 cards: I assume the CPU couldn't handle the workload at all.
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Re: Folding rig support

Postby foldy » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:59 pm

If it were a 6 core/12 thread cpu which are now cheaper available from AMD or Intel then I guess it would make 12 x 1mill PPD max on Linux = 12mill PPD total.
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Re: Folding rig support

Postby Amstellodamois » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:12 pm

The celeron is supposed to have two cores.

Anyway, not trying that again :-D
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Re: Folding rig support

Postby bruce » Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:17 pm

Amstellodamois wrote:The celeron is supposed to have two cores.

Anyway, not trying that again :-D
That's most definitely under-powered. One thread per GPU is recommended when running OpenCL drivers.
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