Unusual low credit for a RTX 2080 card?

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Unusual low credit for a RTX 2080 card?

Postby Simplex0 » Wed May 08, 2019 4:27 pm

Hi!
I had\have? some problem running folding on my new RTX 2080 GPU

This I my computer....

OS Windows 10 Pro
CPU Threadripper 1950X@3900 MHz
RAM Kingston 2400 MHz ECC 32 GB
GPU Palit Geforce RTX2080 Dual 8G @1250 MHz, Driver 430.39
PSU Corsair 850HX 850 watt
Folding Version: 7.5.1

CPU and GPU are water cooled and the computer runs absolutely stable.

I was previously folding on a old Radeon HD7970 card and have now upgraded to a Palit GeForce RTX 2080 Dual card.
I uninstalled the driver for the HD7970 card and also uninstalled the folding program prior to installing the RTX 2080 card and
then I first let my OS, Windows 10 Pro, install the driver for the RTX 2080 card before I reinstalled folding.
After this I was unable to run folding and I discovered that the OpenCL-index was marked with a zero in the folding program under Configure\Slots\1 gpu.

I uninstalled the driver for the graphic card and then installed the newest driver from the Nvidia web-page, driver 430.39, and now folding seams to work properly but a strange thing is that the fan on the PSU is very noisy when I am folding despite the fact that I have underclock the GPU to 1250 MHz and the memory on the graphic card is underclocked to 5800 Mhz.

The power draw from the computer when I am folding is 500 - 525 watt which is the same as when I had the Radeon HD7970 installed but the PSU fan was never noisy when I run folding on the HD7970 card.
To day I have run folding continuously for 11 hours and have got 241000 points.

With some work units I got the following WARNING in my log file.... "WARNING:FS01:Size of positions 2073 does not match topology 2067"
Here is a copy from my log file.

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13:06:28:WU01:FS01:0x21:Completed 4300000 out of 5000000 steps (86%)
13:08:12:WU01:FS01:0x21:Completed 4350000 out of 5000000 steps (87%)
13:09:56:WU01:FS01:0x21:Completed 4400000 out of 5000000 steps (88%)
13:11:40:WU01:FS01:0x21:Completed 4450000 out of 5000000 steps (89%)
13:13:24:WU01:FS01:0x21:Completed 4500000 out of 5000000 steps (90%)
13:13:31:WARNING:FS01:Size of positions 2073 does not match topology 2067
13:15:11:WU01:FS01:0x21:Completed 4550000 out of 5000000 steps (91%)
13:16:55:WU01:FS01:0x21:Completed 4600000 out of 5000000 steps (92%)
13:18:40:WU01:FS01:0x21:Completed 4650000 out of 5000000 steps (93%)
13:20:23:WU01:FS01:0x21:Completed 4700000 out of 5000000 steps (94%)
13:22:07:WU01:FS01:0x21:Completed 4750000 out of 5000000 steps (95%)
13:22:14:WARNING:FS01:Size of positions 2073 does not match topology 2067
13:23:53:WU01:FS01:0x21:Completed 4800000 out of 5000000 steps (96%)
13:25:37:WU01:FS01:0x21:Completed 4850000 out of 5000000 steps (97%)
13:27:21:WU01:FS01:0x21:Completed 4900000 out of 5000000 steps (98%)
13:29:05:WU01:FS01:0x21:Completed 4950000 out of 5000000 steps (99%)
13:29:06:WU00:FS01:Connecting to 65.254.110.245:8080
13:29:07:WU00:FS01:Assigned to work server 155.247.166.220
13:29:07:WU00:FS01:Requesting new work unit for slot 01: RUNNING gpu:0:TU104 [GeForce RTX 2080] from 155.247.166.220
13:29:07:WU00:FS01:Connecting to 155.247.166.220:8080
13:29:09:WU00:FS01:Downloading 996.97KiB
13:29:12:WU00:FS01:Download complete
13:29:12:WU00:FS01:Received Unit: id:00 state:DOWNLOAD error:NO_ERROR project:14177 run:26 clone:0 gen:43 core:0x21 unit:0x0000003f0002894c5cae6ab064a8c526
13:30:50:WU01:FS01:0x21:Completed 5000000 out of 5000000 steps (100%)
13:30:52:WU01:FS01:0x21:Saving result file logfile_01.txt
13:30:52:WU01:FS01:0x21:Saving result file checkpointState.xml
13:30:52:WU01:FS01:0x21:Saving result file checkpt.crc
13:30:52:WU01:FS01:0x21:Saving result file log.txt
13:30:52:WU01:FS01:0x21:Saving result file positions.xtc
13:30:52:WU01:FS01:0x21:Folding@home Core Shutdown: FINISHED_UNIT
13:30:53:WU01:FS01:FahCore returned: FINISHED_UNIT (100 = 0x64)
13:30:53:WU01:FS01:Sending unit results: id:01 state:SEND error:NO_ERROR project:11719 run:0 clone:2742 gen:128 core:0x21 unit:0x000000a48ca304e75bbce9719622b05d
13:30:53:WU01:FS01:Uploading 13.44MiB to 140.163.4.231
13:30:53:WU01:FS01:Connecting to 140.163.4.231:8080
13:30:53:WU00:FS01:Starting
13:30:53:WU00:FS01:Running FahCore: D:\Program\Folding\FAHClient/FAHCoreWrapper.exe D:\Program\Folding\Data\cores/cores.foldingathome.org/Win32/AMD64/NVIDIA/Fermi/Core_21.fah/FahCore_21.exe -dir 00 -suffix 01 -version 705 -lifeline 1476 -checkpoint 15 -gpu-vendor nvidia -opencl-platform 0 -opencl-device 0 -cuda-device 0 -gpu 0
13:30:53:WU00:FS01:Started FahCore on PID 19876
13:30:53:WU00:FS01:Core PID:20004
13:30:53:WU00:FS01:FahCore 0x21 started
13:30:54:WU00:FS01:0x21:*********************** Log Started 2019-05-08T13:30:53Z ***********************
13:30:54:WU00:FS01:0x21:Project: 14177 (Run 26, Clone 0, Gen 43)
13:30:54:WU00:FS01:0x21:Unit: 0x0000003f0002894c5cae6ab064a8c526
13:30:54:WU00:FS01:0x21:CPU: 0x00000000000000000000000000000000
13:30:54:WU00:FS01:0x21:Machine: 1
13:30:54:WU00:FS01:0x21:Reading tar file core.xml
13:30:54:WU00:FS01:0x21:Reading tar file integrator.xml
13:30:54:WU00:FS01:0x21:Reading tar file state.xml
13:30:54:WU00:FS01:0x21:Reading tar file system.xml
13:30:54:WU00:FS01:0x21:Digital signatures verified
13:30:54:WU00:FS01:0x21:Folding@home GPU Core21 Folding@home Core
13:30:54:WU00:FS01:0x21:Version 0.0.18
13:30:57:WU00:FS01:0x21:Completed 0 out of 25000000 steps (0%)
13:30:57:WU00:FS01:0x21:Temperature control disabled. Requirements: single Nvidia GPU, tmax must be < 110 and twait >= 900
13:30:57:WU01:FS01:Upload complete
13:30:57:WU01:FS01:Server responded WORK_ACK (400)
13:30:57:WU01:FS01:Final credit estimate, 97570.00 points
13:30:57:WU01:FS01:Cleaning up



My questions is if this behavior looks normal for a RTX 2080 card or should I maybe install an other driver version and in that case, which one?

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Re: Unusual low credit for a RTX 2080 card?

Postby foldy » Wed May 08, 2019 4:41 pm

The warnings can be ignored. The driver 430.39 has some CPU load issues so I recommend 425.31

Do you have one CPU core free to feed the GPU?

Why do you downclock the GPU so much? Why not let it run on standard speed?

You currently get only 2/3 of the PPD you could get on full speed.

If PSU gets noisy then maybe it needs more fresh air, is there any dust or you need some case fans?

What is running on your CPU? Maybe reduce that CPU load and PSU gets more silent.
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Re: Unusual low credit for a RTX 2080 card?

Postby Simplex0 » Wed May 08, 2019 6:25 pm

foldy wrote:The warnings can be ignored. The driver 430.39 has some CPU load issues so I recommend 425.31


Thank you, I will change driver later to see if that will help.

foldy wrote:Do you have one CPU core free to feed the GPU?


Yes. I actually have 2 cores free for the GPU\folding

foldy wrote:Why do you downclock the GPU so much? Why not let it run on standard speed?


Because that my PSU fan start spinning fast and get weary noisy if I run the GPU at the standard clock which is 1515 MHz.
This is very strange because when I was using the Radeon HD7970 card the computer actually used the same power, 520 watt, but I could not hear the power supply fan.

foldy wrote:You currently get only 2/3 of the PPD you could get on full speed.

If PSU gets noisy then maybe it needs more fresh air, is there any dust or you need some case fans?


Read the previous answers and I have cleaned the air intake and air out so that is not the problem.


foldy wrote:What is running on your CPU? Maybe reduce that CPU load and PSU gets more silent.


28 thread on BOINC but I have done that for more than a year now while folding on the HD7970 and which used the same amount of power, 520 watt, without the PSU getting noisy.
It is strange if the PSU have start to malfunction exactly at the same time I changed to the RTX 2080 card but I think I will buy a new power supply to see if that helps.

Thank you anyway for your input.
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Re: Unusual low credit for a RTX 2080 card?

Postby bruce » Wed May 08, 2019 9:36 pm

28 thread on BOINC plus FAH. What is your total CPU utilization the way you machine runs most of the time? If you pause FAH, what does it change to?
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Re: Unusual low credit for a RTX 2080 card?

Postby Theodore » Thu May 09, 2019 12:18 am

For Windows, EVGAs xoc software, or MSI afterburner software, will allow you to cut some power to the card.
Nvidia-smi does this for Linux.

By default, it seems that a 2080 runs 20Watts higher than a 7970.
When folding, it is not using the full 220-225W though, but averages around 180W.
Instead, I'd recommend to run the card stock (no underclocking) and limit power to 75-80%, or limit it to 150-160W.
If you want to, most RTX cards overclock safely by under 90mhz on the GPU core, and you could combine power limiting with overclocking.
Just make sure the card's temperatures remain under 80c, the lower the better.
Personally, I increase the fan speed by a few percent over stock, as these cards run too hot with stock fan settings.
But just below where they become audible or obnoxious.

What I think is happening, is that those last 20W brought your PSU in a next power setting, where it is possible that the PSU fan is running a higher (if not highest) setting.
Limiting the power, and combining with a very mild overclock, will get you near to stock performance, at a lower power draw.
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Re: Unusual low credit for a RTX 2080 card?

Postby Simplex0 » Thu May 09, 2019 4:39 am

bruce wrote:28 thread on BOINC plus FAH. What is your total CPU utilization the way you machine runs most of the time? If you pause FAH, what does it change to?


CPU utilization is 90 - 100% on 3 cores, 75 - 100% on 1 core and 100% on 12 cores.

At this moment my watt-meter reports that the computer pulls only 490 watt but my PSU is very loud, if I paus BOINC the load drops to 270 watt and the PSU fan stays silent.
I guess that a new PSU is needed.
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Re: Unusual low credit for a RTX 2080 card?

Postby toTOW » Thu May 09, 2019 10:40 am

Some BOINC applications tend to interfere more with FAH on GPU than others ...
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Re: Unusual low credit for a RTX 2080 card?

Postby Simplex0 » Thu May 09, 2019 2:31 pm

toTOW wrote:Some BOINC applications tend to interfere more with FAH on GPU than others ...


Yes but I currently only run World Community Grid under BOINC which is CPU work units only and under Folding I only run the GPU application.
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Re: Unusual low credit for a RTX 2080 card?

Postby bruce » Sat May 11, 2019 1:51 am

The way you're doing it sounds good. Just a warning for others reading this topic: simultaneously running CPU projects for BOINC and FAH is extremely tricky. Trying to balance those CPU projects is NOT easy.
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Re: Unusual low credit for a RTX 2080 card?

Postby toTOW » Sat May 11, 2019 5:54 pm

You rephrased what I meant in my previous post ;)
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