New Radeon drivers - 21.10.1 - performance still seems bad

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New Radeon drivers - 21.10.1 - performance still seems bad

Postby XanderF » Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:46 pm

As above - new drivers posted.

Release notes: https://community.amd.com/t5/knowledge- ... a-p/491713

Installed on my 6600xt, performance still seems as bad as any other recent release. Anyone else have different experiences with it?
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Re: New Radeon drivers - 21.10.1 - performance still seems b

Postby jchang6 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:02 pm

i did briefly, before going back to 21.3.2, but it will take time for project level stats
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Re: New Radeon drivers - 21.10.1 - performance still seems b

Postby XanderF » Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:08 am

jchang6 wrote:i did briefly, before going back to 21.3.2, but it will take time for project level stats


Hmm. Curious if you get any more experience with it. Last couple days on 21.8.2, I was pulling 700-800k ppd on the 6600xt. Today with 21.10.1 I didn't manage better than 400k ppd over 2 different projects. Reverting to 21.8.2 for now.

EDIT: Although, TBH, maybe I shouldn't read too much into that. Looking at my logs, all I've gotten all day today was project 18110, which is godawful performance on Radeon cards, at least on any driver I can run. Just going to pull the GPU slot for now - not worth pouring 170w into ~300k PPD. Hell, I get the same PPD for less power using my CPU on its own. Like it's the 2000s again or something...
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Re: New Radeon drivers - 21.10.1 - performance still seems b

Postby jchang6 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:22 pm

here
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=37489
I did a break out of RTX performance by project
I have one machine with a RX5600 that than ran recent drivers, then I switched maybe a week ago? I will see if I can figure when each driver as applied to do a project breakdown
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Re: New Radeon drivers - 21.10.1 - performance still seems b

Postby XanderF » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:17 pm

jchang6 wrote:I have one machine with a RX5600 that than ran recent drivers, then I switched maybe a week ago? I will see if I can figure when each driver as applied to do a project breakdown


Thanks - not that I think AMD is paying attention, but if we had some hard data comparing the same project on the same hardware, with 21.3.2 drivers vs the new ones - that would be solid evidence for them. Unfortunately, I can't help, as 21.3.2 doesn't support the 6600xt.
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Re: New Radeon drivers - 21.10.1 - performance still seems b

Postby muziqaz » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:35 pm

XanderF wrote:
jchang6 wrote:I have one machine with a RX5600 that than ran recent drivers, then I switched maybe a week ago? I will see if I can figure when each driver as applied to do a project breakdown


Thanks - not that I think AMD is paying attention, but if we had some hard data comparing the same project on the same hardware, with 21.3.2 drivers vs the new ones - that would be solid evidence for them. Unfortunately, I can't help, as 21.3.2 doesn't support the 6600xt.


The evidence has been provided, not that they need that, as they can easily run f@h project at the labs comparing with older drivers. Evidence or no evidence: AMD at the moment are not acknowledging issues with the project they claim they are partnered with.
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Re: New Radeon drivers - 21.10.1 - performance still seems b

Postby Neil-B » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:59 pm

XanderF wrote:EDIT: Although, TBH, maybe I shouldn't read too much into that. Looking at my logs, all I've gotten all day today was project 18110, which is godawful performance on Radeon cards, at least on any driver I can run. Just going to pull the GPU slot for now - not worth pouring 170w into ~300k PPD. Hell, I get the same PPD for less power using my CPU on its own. Like it's the 2000s again or something...

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Re: New Radeon drivers - 21.10.1 - performance still seems b

Postby muziqaz » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:15 pm

Neil-B wrote:
XanderF wrote:EDIT: Although, TBH, maybe I shouldn't read too much into that. Looking at my logs, all I've gotten all day today was project 18110, which is godawful performance on Radeon cards, at least on any driver I can run. Just going to pull the GPU slot for now - not worth pouring 170w into ~300k PPD. Hell, I get the same PPD for less power using my CPU on its own. Like it's the 2000s again or something...

Researcher was made aware of the issue and has excluded AMD from this project.


This a shame, because project runs fine with 21.3.2 driver

Soon I hope we will completely exclude all AMD cards, just to make a point to AMD.
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Re: New Radeon drivers - 21.10.1 - performance still seems b

Postby Asghan » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:47 am

Same problem here:
Every driver after 21.3.2 has a very poor OpenCL performance (6900XT here).
BOINC Projects are also slowed down.
As soon as I go back to 21.3.2 everything is fine.

I recommend to also report this via the feedback button in the driver menu to AMD.
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Re: New Radeon drivers - 21.10.1 - performance still seems b

Postby psaam0001 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:30 pm

If I wanted to place odds on whether or not I keep my AMD iGPU (on a Ryzen 3 3200G) folding, I would say there is an extremely good chance that (when my finances are better) a 5950X will be occupying that socket on the motherboard for this particular system.

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Re: New Radeon drivers - 21.10.1 - performance still seems b

Postby psaam0001 » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:08 am

OTOH: I might go ahead and be the guinea pig who tries the latest AMD drivers, after running DDU (in safe mode). Time for me to take the literal "jab in the shoulder", and test a work around.

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Re: New Radeon drivers - 21.10.1 - performance still seems b

Postby XanderF » Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:28 am

psaam0001 wrote:OTOH: I might go ahead and be the guinea pig who tries the latest AMD drivers, after running DDU (in safe mode). Time for me to take the literal "jab in the shoulder", and test a work around.

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If you have a way to get good a-to-b numbers from it, that would be really interesting to see. Anecdotally, having now tried them off and on a couple times, they cut my numbers to 2/3 of the 21.8.2 drivers. (I cannot try the 21.3.1 at all for comparison - unsupported)

On a hunch, I tried copying over the 5 OpenCL .dll files from the 21.3.1 drivers into the 21.8.2 fileset, and 21.10.2 - in either case, the driver installs fine, with minor complaining from Windows about unapproved files, but both times OpenCL stops working in F @ H - "WARNING:FS01:No CUDA or OpenCL 1.2+ support detected for GPU slot 01: gpu:3:0 Navi 23 [Radeon RX 6600/6600 XT/6600M]. Disabling." And I'd also 'successfully' modified the 21.3.1 drivers to INSTALL in Windows for a 6600xt, but while it worked in safe mode, it couldn't render the fullscreen display (kept flickering on and off). So I think the bits or whole of 21.3.1 just isn't going to work on these newer cards.

If you have luck with an older card on the newer drivers, it'd definitely be interesting to hear a comparison point!
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Re: New Radeon drivers - 21.10.1 - performance still seems b

Postby psaam0001 » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:11 am

XanderF wrote:
psaam0001 wrote:OTOH: I might go ahead and be the guinea pig who tries the latest AMD drivers, after running DDU (in safe mode). Time for me to take the literal "jab in the shoulder", and test a work around.

Paul


If you have a way to get good a-to-b numbers from it, that would be really interesting to see. Anecdotally, having now tried them off and on a couple times, they cut my numbers to 2/3 of the 21.8.2 drivers. (I cannot try the 21.3.1 at all for comparison - unsupported)

On a hunch, I tried copying over the 5 OpenCL .dll files from the 21.3.1 drivers into the 21.8.2 fileset, and 21.10.2 - in either case, the driver installs fine, with minor complaining from Windows about unapproved files, but both times OpenCL stops working in F @ H - "WARNING:FS01:No CUDA or OpenCL 1.2+ support detected for GPU slot 01: gpu:3:0 Navi 23 [Radeon RX 6600/6600 XT/6600M]. Disabling." And I'd also 'successfully' modified the 21.3.1 drivers to INSTALL in Windows for a 6600xt, but while it worked in safe mode, it couldn't render the fullscreen display (kept flickering on and off). So I think the bits or whole of 21.3.1 just isn't going to work on these newer cards.

If you have luck with an older card on the newer drivers, it'd definitely be interesting to hear a comparison point!


I'm going to link to a video on the JayzTwoCents YouTube Channel that will give more information about DDU, and how to use it in Windows 10 (in safe mode--before installing known working display drivers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8OLhUAPDq0

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