A bonus question

[MtM]

Bruce I have a question, something which isn't entirely clear to me and I can't find the answer myself. The QRB starts when you returned 10 units with a passkey within 80, but do you actually loose it when you return units after that time? To be more precise, if you for some reason have a remote system which has a software conflict which causes the client to miss out on cpu resources ( another application taking cycles ), and this system returns units which are below the 80% mark, would that mean you could loose the bonus multiplier for other systems as well or just for that system?

I am assuming once you have reached the 10 work unit's requirement, there is now no system in place which will remove it under any circumstance. I'm also not saying the above example should lead to anything but that system not getting the bonus, but regarding EUE's which succesfully complete on another donor's system it might be effective to prevent people trying to overclock to much.

[bruce]

There are several reasons why you can have your bonus status revoked. The 80% rule is one of them. Bonuses are NOT awarded to people who fail to return the WUs which are assigned to them. The 20% tolerance should be sufficient to cover an occasional WU over which you have no control.

[MtM]

I'm working on a stub on the wiki for the QRB, could you link me to anything describing in detail the implemented rules?

Linky -> http://fahwiki.net/index.php/QRB ( might be better to continue there? )

[PantherX]

After some searching (lost a few neurons in that process), I found my post that I haven't yet got confirmation from any one if I am wrong or not:

AFAIK, the Passkey/Username combination is checked for Bonus Qualification. I haven't read anything about it being machine specific. Here is me thought: (all machine use the same Passkey/Username)
Machine 1 = 8 WUs assigned; 8 WUs received (100% return rate)
Machine 2 = 20 WUs assigned; 18 WUs received (90% return rate)
Machine 3 = 10 WUs assigned; 5 Wus received (50% return rate)
Overall = 38 WUs assigned; 31 WUs received which equates to 81.58%
Thus I believe that you will still be qualified for the bonus. (I could be wrong)

http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?p=155169#p155169

[7im]

Thus I believe that you will still be qualified for the bonus.

Correct. 81.58% is above 80%.

The qualification is for the user name/passkey combo. It is machine and client independent.

See also: Quick Return Bonus Plan Qualifications

[MtM]

Yeah 7im, those are the qualifications for entering, but Bruce said that there are a number of reasons one can have his eligibility for a quick return bonus removed, I'm trying to find out what they are besides the 80% rule.

[7im]

How about breaking the EULA?

Changing your user name and or passkey doesn't revoke the bonus so to speak, but you will need to requalify for the bonus if you change that pairing.

I suppose there could be more.

[MtM]

breaking EULA will get you zero'd, that's not the same. Changing name / passkey is a given...

Didn't even realise you could change your passkey, I lost mine on more then one occasion and just thought if I request a new one, the system will recognise there already is one tied to my account and issue it again.

[7im]

The passkey is hashed to your fah user name and to your email address. If you submit a request for a passkey, and use the same user name and the same email address as before, then Stanford sends you the same key again.

If you use a different user name, or different email address, or different both, then you will get a new passkey that is different from the previous key.

And Zero'd accounts isn't the only option when breaking the EULA. The consequence often fits the break. For example, cherry picking WUs while staying just above an 81% completion rate might draw some unwanted attentions.

[MtM]

I think you are telling me that we will never have a fully defined list of things which can revoke your bonus classification other then: stay above 80%, use common sence and do not cheat!

I actually don't think that would be a bad description

[ChasR]

In PantherX's scenario, the running average could easily dip below 80% and the bonus would be lost until it got back over 80%.
As I understand things, if the machines returning less than 100% fail 3 out of the last 10 turned in, the bonus would be lost.
Edit:
I could be completely wrong here. I assumed the server was looking at a running average based on my loss of the bonus when one machine got a bad WU that errored out @ 5%, then got it 3 times in a row.