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50 % Wu are computed for nothing

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:16 am
by promeneur
NVIDIA:5 GP108 [GeForce GT 1030]

50 % of the WUs are not computed respecting the delay.

For example :

fahcore 0x22
PRCG 18717
ETA 2.17 days
My computer has 1.59 days to complete this work unit.

Re: 50 % Wu are computed for nothing

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:52 pm
by BobWilliams757
Are you folding 24/7? Or are you otherwise using the system to do other things frequently while folding?

That GPU is towards the lower end of GPU's for that project, but according to LAR systems quite a few 1030s are completing the project. If you have a lower spec GPU, or other system bog downs, it might impact if you can finish it or not. But if your true ETA is over two days there isn't much you can do other than report the relevant info to pass along.

Are you allowing several percent to process before looking at the estimated finish time?

Re: 50 % Wu are computed for nothing

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:58 am
by promeneur
Till yesterday, I limited the power available for fahcore 22 with cpulimit.
Now all the power is available for fahcore 22. The computing time is now lower than the time to complete.
But the temperature of the gpu is 82 °C instead of 65 °C. And we are only on spring.

I am going to monitor what happens next days.

Is there a more powerfull card and not expansive ?

Re: 50 % Wu are computed for nothing

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:40 pm
by kiore
promeneur wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:58 am Till yesterday, I limited the power available for fahcore 22 with cpulimit.
Now all the power is available for fahcore 22. The computing time is now lower than the time to complete.
But the temperature of the gpu is 82 °C instead of 65 °C. And we are only on spring.

I am going to monitor what happens next days.

Is there a more powerfull card and not expansive ?
There are many more powerful cards, but "not expensive" is the issue, card prices are dropping from the ridiculous levels seen in the past few years. I see GTX 1660/ti can be reasonably priced depending on where you buy them and would be a significant improvement all round for a card in that generation. If you are gaming with this you may want to move up a generation or two. You could also look out for 'open box' or refurbished cards from a reliable source. Just be aware that the much more powerful cards may not be powered by your current power supply. Good luck.

Re: 50 % Wu are computed for nothing

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:47 pm
by promeneur
I got a Palit GTX 1630, 144 € at amazon

Re: 50 % Wu are computed for nothing

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 4:10 pm
by BobWilliams757
promeneur wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:47 pm I got a Palit GTX 1630, 144 € at amazon
So you've already ordered one?

Re: 50 % Wu are computed for nothing

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 4:16 pm
by promeneur
yes

Re: 50 % Wu are computed for nothing

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:12 pm
by BobWilliams757
While no super powerhouse card, it should be quite a step above your 1030. I don't think I've seen any numbers posted from anyone using one for folding, but based on specs I wouldn't be surprised to see it hit 350K or so. This should be a substantial improvement and give you some options for running at reduced power and sound levels while still making deadlines.

Let us know what kind of numbers you get once you get it installed.

Re: 50 % Wu are computed for nothing

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:35 pm
by promeneur
@kiore @BobWiliams757

After 2,5 Weeks with full power and no limit. We can say that all WU's are computed with a comfortable advance.

Only a little problem, the temperature is about 78-82 °C.

For helping FAH project, no needs to get a more powerful GPU.

My graphic car : Asus Silent GT 1030 (passive cooling). The maximum temperature for working is 90 °C. At 90 °C, GPU stops computing for protecting itself.

In summer, you can use cpulimit to limit the temperature.

Re: 50 % Wu are computed for nothing

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 1:37 am
by BobWilliams757
That's a good boost in speed. You might be able to find a sweet spot with enough speed and lower power so the temps don't get quite so high. Often on newer cards you can get 90% of the speed with 75-80% of the power. It might differ since your GPU has passive cooling, and is a bit older generation as well.

Is this your original GPU? Did you just decide against the 1630?

Re: 50 % Wu are computed for nothing

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:06 am
by promeneur
@BobWilliams757

I did not install the 1630 one.

I will try to decrease the temperature by limiting the power.

Re: 50 % Wu are computed for nothing

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:08 am
by promeneur
with cpulimit to 75%

WU ETA is 13 hours instead of 12 hours
temperature is 71-74 °C instead of 78-82 °C.
for an expiration = 3,27 days.

I am going to monitor this during a week to conclude.

Re: 50 % Wu are computed for nothing

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 10:24 am
by BobWilliams757
Some testing should help you find a happy medium that works fast enough and keeps temperatures reasonable. Keep in mind that with passive cards you can often change case fan settings to manage temps better as well. Sometimes creative routing options to help the GPU get more air can be done as well.

Re: 50 % Wu are computed for nothing

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 11:07 am
by promeneur
BobWilliams757 wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 10:24 am Sometimes creative routing options to help the GPU get more air can be done as well.
what options ?

Re: 50 % Wu are computed for nothing

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:09 pm
by BobWilliams757
That depends a lot on your case, and components within it.

Cable routing and management, which intakes are open, total flow, etc. All can be altered along with case fan speeds and sometimes locations. Many cases have air slots in the rear that may pull in air from the rear rather than front. At times that allows air to be pulled in and removed by rear fans without passing by the CPU or GPU much. Air is flowing, just not in the most useful directions.

On my case the entire front is a grid that flows air, blocked only by drives and such. If I block the upper portion, more air flows through the bottom, which routes it past the hard drives and GPU area, flowing up over the CPU and memory better as well.

Some cases have intakes all over, others fewer. The same with fans, variations are almost unlimited. But basic flow is fairly easy to control in some instances. I've even played with simple diverters made of plastics and such, directing air to where it's useful. Some cases use slots, fresh air intakes on the side panel, etc. And in many cases with a little extra creativity you can add fans where needed, such as some of the slot based fans. The options are huge.